The Amsalu Podcast
Welcome to The Amsalu Podcast—a raw and authentic space where faith meets everyday conversation. Join Amsalu and a dynamic new co-host as they dive into the world of media, Christian perspectives, and Christ-centered insights. This podcast is all about genuine and unfiltered conversations—the meaningful, the mundane, and everything in between. As Amsalu and the co-host grow more comfortable in their space, you’ll experience conversations that invite you into deeper reflections and community. Tune in and be part of a journey that brings faith to the forefront of everyday life.
The Amsalu Podcast
What Happens When Your Words Outrun Your Life
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A single line can be “just a joke” until you hear it back and feel your stomach drop. We start there, rewinding a moment of humor that didn’t land right, and letting it turn into something more useful: accountability. We talk about freedom of speech, the difference between honest commentary and being mean, and why a microphone makes your choices echo louder than you expect. If you care about relationships, leadership, or simply becoming a better human, this is where the work starts.
From credibility and sarcasm, we move into the boy who cried wolf and what it reveals about trust. Then we push it further: how constantly announcing your dreams can exhaust the people around you before you ever take action. The conversation stays grounded in Christian faith and character, including a practical explanation of tithing as stewardship, community support, and sustaining ministry, not a guilt lever.
We also make the co-host partnership official and introduce AJ beyond the title: a photographer and multi-creative learning in public, naming imposter syndrome, building discipline, and choosing integrity over hype. His barista and coffee journey becomes a story about provision through people, and we get real about creative entrepreneurship, social media marketing, working with friends, and learning how to be a good client while building something together.
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Cold Open And Catch Up
SPEAKER_02That's not how you start a podcast, sir.
SPEAKER_04Oh, we're shooting. I thought I thought you asked me if I'm ready. I didn't respond. I didn't respond.
SPEAKER_02But are we?
SPEAKER_04Ready now, sir.
SPEAKER_02We are here, Doug. Um, another episode, another day.
SPEAKER_01Another day.
SPEAKER_02How are you doing?
SPEAKER_01I'm doing alright, bro. How are you?
SPEAKER_02I'm good, bro. I actually I haven't seen that. I realize I haven't seen you properly or sat down properly with you in a while. Um so a good time, good time. Benefits, benefits, getting to record, but also getting to sit down and chat, bro.
SPEAKER_01Catch up with your little man.
SPEAKER_02You know? Yeah. So uh I know we've spoken in the little times we did. That uh you were feeling the type of way about some things you said. Caught myself slinking. You caught yourself slipping, it looks like. You know, and uh uh thinking you you wanted to have some commentary about that, sir.
SPEAKER_04You know, we don't have to be like so serious about it, you know what I'm saying? Well, well, here it is. Here it is, we don't have to be so serious about it, bro. But like, yeah, it was just an observation. That's right. Oh, yeah, an observation, let me go, oh my god.
SPEAKER_02Brother, I'm comfortable around you, so you better know in this show I'm gonna be sharing from a comfortable place.
SPEAKER_05Oh my god, right?
SPEAKER_03That's an observation I quickly made when you said Koya the lazy and see it. You know, uh I want you to go through the cringe again to see if the motions are still there.
SPEAKER_00Bro, I didn't I didn't finish that episode because of my actually skipped that part.
SPEAKER_03Well, here you are, sir.
SPEAKER_02But they could never date they can never man. I think I think I think because of the Mohawks, the Mohawks. They they both the the gents of the of the relationship.
SPEAKER_04It's like imagine dating yourself, bro. I mean, I would love to date myself, yeah. But themselves, I don't I don't think they would love to date themselves. I mean, who is this fool?
SPEAKER_03I had my shots, but guy leave nigga. You just you just you just mean that they self-worth.
SPEAKER_00No, I'm just I'm just I'm just I'm just I don't think they'd like to date themselves.
SPEAKER_04I'm just saying it's like from from the tracks. Telling me I'm a girl. Who asked you?
SPEAKER_02Like I can't remember to like the songs.
SPEAKER_05That's another thing, bro. Who asked you? You just say it exactly why would she date her talk?
SPEAKER_02This is where you know, as much as I said I'm comfortable. That was just
Owning The Line You Said
SPEAKER_02yeah, bro. How do you feel about it now?
SPEAKER_04Well, I don't know how to say, I don't know how to say it, bro.
SPEAKER_02Like well, maybe, maybe. Take it back to how did you feel initially?
SPEAKER_03Like, cuz because it it it does, it does, it does what can I say? It did scare you a little bit.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, cuz because um let me go. Like I know that I have freedom of speech, but I also don't have a right to be mean. That's how I felt.
SPEAKER_03I feel you, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04Sorry, sorry. That's just how I felt. I felt like I was being mean, I was being funny, it's a joke, you know, like I don't have to be too serious about it, but I do take myself a bit serious, you know what I mean? Yeah, and I do criticize myself, I do review my actions, I do review things that I say to people. Even sometimes I say something thinking about it or not thinking about it. I do sit down and just go back and be like, yo, but like what was I thinking? You know, I know I was trying to be funny, but I could have something, I could have said something more polite but funny, you know, but I didn't. Yeah, but I guess that comes down to the fact that we had we all fighting against the flesh. Like in that moment, that was really funny, you know, like the flesh was enjoying it. But when I sat down and and I th and I thought about it, it wasn't really like something funny. It was funny, but it was me. Yeah, that's how I that's how I like to look at it. It was funny, but I was me. Yeah, and and in retrospect, I lent my lesson. So I don't know that guy actually, because we grow every day. So I don't know who that guy was.
SPEAKER_03But he was talking crazy. He was talking crazy, he was talking smack.
SPEAKER_04He's like, he's like, it's like, oh no, no. I'm just saying. What are you saying, bro? Like, who asked you?
SPEAKER_02But you know what, bro? Like, you shine you shine light on the space we occupy of podcasting. Would say we should never forget that uh this is a tool, and this tool works a certain way. Um and so and so you wanna you wanna be wise.
SPEAKER_06True, true, you know.
SPEAKER_02Uh we don't want to end up. You know, I don't think I don't
Controversy Without Losing Credibility
SPEAKER_02think I I used to want to be controversial on and on tabloids, but I think the controversy should come from uh a genuine place, not a strategic place. True. Because strategically, controversy is key. But controversy should be contextualized, because if I feed off controversy the whole time, I'll I'll never know when to stop. I'll never know when to quit. Have you ever seen have you ever seen someone who is like so obsessed with being sarcastic that they can't get rid of it? And so even when they're trying to be serious now, it's like and also people don't take you serious.
SPEAKER_04Like when you say something that's you're assuming like, nah, it's just being his usual self.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
The Boy Who Cried Wolf And Dreams
SPEAKER_04You know what I'm saying? There's a story that that I once heard. Uh thank you for taking your lead.
SPEAKER_02But uh cuff competition.
SPEAKER_04Bro, there's a story that like uh uh we grew up being told by my grandma. So the wisest little boy, he lived in a village. Um he was always lying, you know, like always lying, always scaring people, you know, saying random jokes and all that. And there was a lion in town, right? So he was always lying, that lion is coming, the lion is coming. People go run away and hide. Then he starts laughing. He's like, ah, I gotcha. Ain't no lion. So he would do that all the time, you know. And one day, the lion decided to take a walk to this little village. And this boy sees the lion, he's like, Oh shit, that's the lion. Then he goes to the village, the lion's coming, the lion's coming, and no one no one took him serious. Then he went and hide, and then the lion came and devoured the whole village. And then when he came out, the whole village has been eaten by a lion. And only because and and and that that broke his heart because even his grandma and everyone and his family were eaten by the lion.
SPEAKER_02Damn, so I feel like your grandma's gold tripping you by adding the grandma and the and who got eaten by the lion.
SPEAKER_00She has been diplomatic, she has been tactful.
SPEAKER_02I want you to know now.
SPEAKER_03Don't take grandma lightly, son.
SPEAKER_04But like, uh the moral of the story is, you know, even the little actions that we do all have consequences. We might not see them now, but we will see even later. Like, it's it's there is a consequence. Like this guy, because he was always lying all the time, he lost his family. You know? He lost his family.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I think I think, bro, you know, you know, it's you know what what angle I got now um with that story. And that I and I've never looked at it this way. Because I've heard many renditions of the story, the boy who cried wolf, by the song by Passenger. But even about our dreams. Sometimes you you speak your dreams so far ahead of time, and you you you you oversaturate people with, I'm gonna become this, I'm gonna get this, um, I want to be doing this. So much so that when you actually start doing it, it's not that they don't want to believe you, they're just tired of constantly hearing you and not doing anything.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, oh wow, yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_02I think I think I just took the role of your grandma and I went 2.0 there. If anyone is looking for a grandma, um, I do offer services.
SPEAKER_00Uh call number 545, uncertain port cuts.
SPEAKER_03Need a grand for an hour, I'm your guy.
SPEAKER_00I'm your guy. Give you good advice, makes you want to sleep.
SPEAKER_02But um, yeah, bro. Uh I wanted to start with that just so you can um see what it is to get it off your chest. See this this this little product over here that that that kind of lets the heart just overflow with what's on its mind. Um but I'm happy to hear that you you are aware of some of the things you say, and that not everything you say has to just be defended by it's your opinion or that, but context.
Faith Consequences And Character
SPEAKER_04Yeah, true, bro. Like, um, you know, as Christians, we need to pay attention to the things you say, the things you do, who we are. You know? Um like you know, you we don't have to feel entitled to and and and be like, oh Jesus Christ died for me, so I can do what I want and and and it's still gonna be okay. Yeah, sure. It's still gonna be okay when it looks at you because he loves you, but he never said there won't be consequences, you know, because every bad thing has a consequence, you know. It's like it's like Adam when he ate um the fruits of life. There was a consequence. It's not like God was going to beat him up and kill him or anything, but there was a consequence, and the consequence is he died spiritually in some sort of way. You know, he he the consequence was he wasn't the same man he was before he ate that fruit. That was the consequence, unplugged.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I have a feeling that your mic is too far from you, and you've got your inside voice that I always don't recognize when it comes in. Like, why the hell is this nigga talking so soft?
SPEAKER_08Like, like we had the in-laws or so. Look at your cuffs compared to your speech.
SPEAKER_04Hey bro, it's it's my wise man voice.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_04Actually, I need to be closer. How was that? And then I told this into someone, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but because like you know, I'm sound like Barry White compared to you right now.
SPEAKER_04Barry White compared to me right now.
SPEAKER_03This is how you sound uh sound like Barry White compared to you right now.
SPEAKER_04You got that, yeah.
SPEAKER_03You don't have to mimic me.
SPEAKER_04That that Lil Wayne voice. You haven't heard him.
SPEAKER_03No, when he speaks. When he speaks, hey Toys, hey Toys, it's got that mourning voice, bro. Yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_04Hey bro, you but uh you blessed, bro. Envy, envy your voice.
SPEAKER_06Thank you, bro.
SPEAKER_02I remember we used to do spoken word for girls with that voice, you know, put some little piano at the back, and just like, hey babe, uh, that was your day. You see what I mean, Doug? Like, I don't even need piano. Um voice is sufficient.
SPEAKER_00We need it, we need an extra boost, bro. A little songs of signs, a little source.
SPEAKER_03Yo, Doug, I don't, I know, I know, I know this is way out of pocket, yeah. But when when when I used to lean back in the cut, like that would be one of the things I do.
SPEAKER_02I'd get on a phone call with a girl. Because I know my voice is just mesmerizing. Oh, you don't. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm just I'm just chilling. Um, what's on your mind?
SPEAKER_03But listen, bro, stop distracting me.
SPEAKER_00What's on your mind?
SPEAKER_03Bro, it was back in the mixer was still kind of fresh off our mind.
SPEAKER_02So, ooh, what's on your mind? You know, you know that abbreviation. Yo, I used to hate abbreviations, but that's the that's the generation I come from, bro.
SPEAKER_04You sound like one of those guys uh who would who would um who would pass the audition to to join the boys to men, the boys to men intros.
SPEAKER_03Oh hell yeah. I'd be I'd be their guy.
SPEAKER_04I'll be thinking about you.
SPEAKER_05Look at you to be in the talk.
SPEAKER_02I don't want to have to do it, but you were getting a little out of hand with your crazy little self.
SPEAKER_03Go on, go ahead. I'm gonna keep contact with your grandma because she makes great apple pie. Anyway, bro, that's none of your business.
SPEAKER_05How did you know about my grandma?
SPEAKER_03I thought we I was I got I got integrated into the family. If you didn't play like this, maybe.
SPEAKER_05I haven't introduced you yet. Oh, you know about my grandma's apple pie.
SPEAKER_02I saw a family profile.
SPEAKER_05Ain't no apple pies there.
SPEAKER_03Just just disclaimer, I'd never meet a girl like AJ. Since you're taking on the voiceover of the shorty, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But anyway, Doug, um, you know what's special about this episode? Even
Making The Co-Host Role Official
SPEAKER_02though we couldn't, like, I was so I was so prepared, like, oh, you know, I want to set the runway for my nigga, kinda, but you know, to to officially introduce you, you know, because opposed to the tester, I think the tester was out of like allowing ourselves into that pressure of the work needs to be explode, needs to be executed instead of it just constantly being revisioned, revisioned, revision. Um, but this is uh the official first episode between me and you, because it would be a lot to say the official first episode.
SPEAKER_04Um yeah, man. Uh oh, thank you. Uh thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he he's official now. He came with glasses.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Um part, eh? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Like, have you been starting to buy your clothing to match the colour or something? Like t-shirt to t-shirt to glasses ratio, man. Nature boy, archie. You look nice, dog. I like it. I like it.
SPEAKER_03It's a nature boy, nature boy, boy.
SPEAKER_04With some earthy tones, you know what I'm saying, dog.
SPEAKER_03You're actually wearing all my favorite colours.
SPEAKER_05Hey, bet, bro. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, when I say all, I just mean green, but the variations of green. Um, okay, okay. So, how do I introduce someone I know inside out? Uh inside out. I'll leave it to you, bro. Inside out, yeah, yeah. Inside out. Listen, Doug.
SPEAKER_03The theory, the theories are all, oh no, your girlfriend is the closest person that'll ever know you inside. Nah, Doug, I got a different theory.
SPEAKER_04Hey man.
SPEAKER_02I know this nigga.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, we we all need we all need one brother who knows it inside out. Yeah, bro. Who knows the secrets?
SPEAKER_02Like, how let me ask you this, and I know this is personal, yeah, but how many people let you explode in their space? Besides your family and your girlfriend.
SPEAKER_04Well, that's you and uh and Tim Belani.
SPEAKER_02Who the hell is Tim Belani? I don't know you inside out.
SPEAKER_03Sorry, Tim Belani.
SPEAKER_04It came in as a shock, eh? What? Nah, Tim Belani, bro. He he's he's my friend, Doug. Um yeah, he's been he's my childhood friend.
SPEAKER_03Showcase.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, we're still tight. We're still tight. Um he called me recently, you know. I was surprised because he has Conroe. He had Conroe, Doug.
SPEAKER_02Oh damn.
SPEAKER_04Like, nigga, you have Conroes now?
SPEAKER_02Hey, bro, call me the Volvach here sometimes.
SPEAKER_04Bro, yeah, he like like I I used to I he I I used to like look out for him, you know. He was uh he was a he was a pretty chilled chilled kid, you know, nerdy vibes.
SPEAKER_08You know?
SPEAKER_04Nah, now he ain't no nerdy, nerdy no more. He's got a girlfriend.
SPEAKER_09Oh damn.
SPEAKER_04I used to write, I used to I used to write letters for him, man.
SPEAKER_03Excuse me. He used to ghost write.
SPEAKER_04I used to ghostwrite for him, man. You know, like but uh yeah, man, uh like man's got conrows, he got game now. You know, I used to flip him, go shopping with him, shop for him too.
SPEAKER_00Okay, man's a bad taste, you know, but that's when you know a homie's a real homie, yeah.
SPEAKER_03You can just disregard the first 10 minutes of our discussion. No, that's not me. That's a homie.
SPEAKER_05You just had bad taste, bro. Like when it comes to clothing, oh my god, my brother needed saving.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04But you get people like that, but yeah, it was you was you was it was my it was it was it was my day one dog uh since since since growing up.
SPEAKER_02Um you get to oh come so bro.
A Creative Life Built On Kindness
SPEAKER_02Um who are you? What are you passionate about? Oh, my name is asking for some friends.
SPEAKER_04My name is Adiala, it means he is loved. Uh I uh my father says it's Portuguese. Oh what? Yeah, and I believe him. That's all it takes, eh?
SPEAKER_11You don't want to not believe him, it's too cool.
SPEAKER_00Right?
SPEAKER_03Heck, I'll throw my kid off with that. I'll be like, your name is Gosnati. You'll be like, what? It's Swedish.
SPEAKER_08Oh, it's Swedish. Wait, so have you ever Googled it to see if it's Portuguese?
SPEAKER_04Oh no, no, I have, but like I don't I don't think it's Portuguese because you find it in India, you find it in like most parts are Asian countries, though. Most parts are Asian countries. Uh, but it also means uh uh strong strong moral something like integrity, something like that. It doesn't mean he's loved. I mean that was his definition.
SPEAKER_03When I go You are what he says you are that's that was his thinking around around everything he was like and I believe him. Doctors look at looked at him like, what are you gonna name him?
SPEAKER_02Uh yada Portuguese, yes, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_03You know, it means he is loved. I'm done. That's epic, though, Doug. Like, okay. I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_04Right, and then and and and I believed him since since ever since he told me what my name is, and I've been going with it. And low key, I think people need to change their the dictionary and actually put your hand there.
SPEAKER_02Put your own up in there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, put me on in there, you know, and say yeah.
SPEAKER_02He is loved. Is that how you pronounce it?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, Ideala.
SPEAKER_02Adiala.
SPEAKER_04Adiala. Um, yeah, I'm uh I'm a photographer, a creative photographer. But I I don't know why I don't know. It's a thing.
SPEAKER_08Uh you know, I don't know. Like a picture's not creative enough. So you have to add that you're created from a C player.
SPEAKER_04I don't know why we're here to do that. Like, I do that so many times. Internet. But I'm a photographer, um, videographer as well. Um I'm an artist. Uh I draw. I'm not like a well, I wouldn't say that. Well, I'm not a professional, like I don't draw to sell my art, but like I draw, you know, on my own time, and it's pretty cool. Probably sell it after 10 years when my name has a little bit of weight.
SPEAKER_08Like you're in the featherweight division right now.
SPEAKER_04Right now, it's the early, early part of my journey.
SPEAKER_08I fear you.
SPEAKER_04Alright, alright. You know, I'm still in the wilderness.
SPEAKER_02Trying to figure this out. Trying to figure this out.
SPEAKER_04But um uh I draw um I sing. Um, I'm a songwriter, even though I haven't written any songs in like a year. But I have a bunch of choruses, some pretty nice hooks. Um I don't qualify to be a beatmaker yet, because I haven't made a beat that I am actually proud of.
SPEAKER_11Okay.
SPEAKER_04Like I get I get hyped when I make certain beats. I always get hyped over everything that I do. So but I I enjoy making beats.
SPEAKER_02And uh and the personal side of you with with without without without being too vulnerable.
SPEAKER_04Uh the personal side of me, bro.
SPEAKER_02Um chill guy.
SPEAKER_04I'm a chill guy, um family oriented. Um I'm kind, bro. I'm I'm kind. Even though sometimes I might come across as I'm not, but um I'm pretty kind. I'm a kind, I think I like to be I'm a kind person, man.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I'm a kind person.
SPEAKER_02You enjoy it?
SPEAKER_04I enjoy it. I enjoy being kind to other people, you know. It brings me joy, you know? Brings me joy being nice to my fellow brothers, strangers, or anyone, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. You taught me to actually tithe by giving to homeless people.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, because that's what our tithe do. Yeah,
A Practical Way To See Tithing
SPEAKER_04that's what our tithe do. Our tithe is meant to push the the word of God forward. Like when we bring it to the church, is to keep to upkeep the house of the Lord. And the house of the Lord, and and also those are the same funds we use to bring the people to the house of the Lord. And when we upkeep the house of the Lord as well, people still come into church. So, you know, it's just doing the same job.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. You know, you know, it's crazy. But maybe, maybe I let me not let me not let me phrase this right. I don't hear it explained like that enough. You know? Um, external would see. When you say it like that, it's easy, my it's easy for my heart to process giving to the church. But when you never hear, when you just hear, oh, let's go back to the book of and read, they gave their first fruits. You know, and like it's almost like I feel sometimes a conversation around tithing in church, it's almost like more than more than more than anything, it's like, it's either I'm trying to convince you or no, it's black and white, you just have to tithe, you know. Um, but to actually hear it practicalized a little more, it's very nice to hear because it's like, oh yes, money to bring uh to the upkeep of the house of the Lord as well as to bring people to the house of the Lord. Oh I want to invest in that. I like that, you know. But anyway, we're not talking about tithing. Um just getting to know you a little bit, bro.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Uh you know, let me just go deeper a little bit.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, I I I knew you didn't want to let go of the tithe.
SPEAKER_04So, like about the tithe, bro. Uh I I'm just gonna touch touch uh on the bring they brought their first foods to the to the house of the Lord. It was not meant, for example, like oh, shucks.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Pray for us.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. So, okay, so during those times, right? Um the priests were the tribe of the Levites, right? And now these people, mind you, these people do nothing but save the Lord. Like be at the at the temple, make sure the temple is good, and and you know, just doing things that have like being messengers of the God of God, being being being the priest, so and also being a Levite as well, also put you in a position where you were automatically a leader of people, right? Like that's all that these people did. They were not farmers, so they were not making their own food. You know what I'm saying? But somehow, somehow, food had to be provided for them. So, and through these tithing and through these fruits and all those things, it was to upkeep the house of the Lord now. And the house of the Lord consisted of the Elevites because they are the ones cleaning, daily cleaning, making sure everything, you know.
SPEAKER_11Well, they're the ones, I think they were the ones allowed in the temple, in the temple as well. So they were also learning like tug of war, you know, in case a nigga die inside, you know, and this guy still needed to eat, you know.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, and and that's how food was provided. But it it wouldn't be like uh I don't think it was sort of like they felt entitled. Yeah, no, it was it was it wasn't uh an easy task, you know, to to to bear that you would even get tempted to think of entitled, you know, because even when when uh David, there's a story where David was hungry and walked into the temple and ate the bread of the living bread and all that, yeah. And and and and that wasn't that wasn't a sin, why? Because he was hungry, yeah, and food was there. You know, and food was there. That's the the bread served its purpose. You know, everything, yeah, yeah, but like let's do the story for another day, yeah, man. Story for another day, but uh on an emotional side, bro, like uh personal side. Um I love my kid, I love my family, I love my girl who I'm going to yeah, go on, professor brother. I don't want to say it, don't wanna jinx it. But hey, I got a girl though, yeah. Yeah, which is which is cool. I love my girl, bro. I don't want to super creative, super creative as well.
SPEAKER_02She's super smart, a genius, yeah. Yeah, literally.
SPEAKER_04Yo, she she blows my mind all the time. Bro, she's super smart. But um, yeah, yeah. Um that's that's that's pretty much about like yeah, I'm I'm a family guy, um, I'm a creative, I'm a person who does everything with all his heart. Like I try to do everything with all my heart. Sometimes, sometimes I'm not in the sometimes I'm not physically fit because I get tired as well. I'm human. But if I have enough strength, no, whatever task you give me, I'm going to do it 100%. You know, uh that's that's just me. That's just how I do things. I might take longer in certain cases because I'm I also battle things like insecurity, I also battle things like you know uh imposter syndromes and and all those things. Like whatever you think you might be going through, like stress and all that, you know, I also go through those things, you know, and sometimes it affects my work, but if I'm a hundred percent, I do things wholeheartedly. You know, it's one of my Christian morals as a Christian, you know, I'm cold to do that. And whether I'm cold or not, I will still do it wholeheartedly. You know, everything I do, I owe it to my Lord, you know?
SPEAKER_02And I think in what you what you've highlighted, things you do, things you're interested in, your passions are also closely linked to that. Uh, so that's art, that's um community building, um, which is why I think we we get along. Uh, which is why I think this was bound to happen. Um in us uh collaborating in us in us pushing pushing a vision that is at the center of it is creatives, creativity. And uh which is why you and I are about to venture into this podcast world, uh cooking, man.
Saying Yes For The Right Reasons
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um, how'd you feel when you were approached by um Salu Media to say could you co-host at no charge?
SPEAKER_04At no charge, this is this is charging with my dignity, bro. What do you mean? This is no charge, no charge, brother.
SPEAKER_00I'm I'm I'm walking on uh rope right now, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no, no, no. That's my charge. You you hear because you're very valuable, sir.
SPEAKER_04Uh thank you, G. Thank you. Uh but how I felt when I was approached. Um, I was excited. Like I was excited initially. Um, what was exciting was the fact that oh finally I'm gonna have a reason to be in front of the camera. Because I'm always behind the camera, you know. So I was like, oh finally, I'm gonna have a reason to be in front of the camera, you know. So that was exciting, and also like um I also like to influence, you know. I also like to influence, like um, and and and and and I think it's a gift from God as well to to be able to influence. Um, but I so I had to like choose like what kind of influencer do I want to be, what kind of person do I want to be? Well, you know, but at first I didn't think about all that. I was just I was just genuinely excited to be on a on a on a podcast. It was like, oh, that's pretty cool, that's dope. Yeah, yeah, that's dope. My girl's gonna love me more.
SPEAKER_03She's gonna see them her man on the screen. See her man on the screen, I was gonna see me on TV. My number one, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04So that was the whole thing, bro. I was just genuinely excited because I'm gonna be on TV, yeah, you know. Uh, but then um, as time goes on, um as I also grow, grew, as I also grew, um, you know, like that thing that I always do where I get to review my actions and everything. So I uh I like I found some time to sit down and and and and think about it. Because um I always believe nothing, nothing, not like you said, bro, this was bound to happen. Nothing happens for no reason, you know? And as I got to know you and what you do and what you're trying to do with them with Amsalu podcast as well, it got me questioning my excitement, you know, OT, uh what am I really excited for? Am I excited for the right reasons or not? And and and and and I had to like come down to a point where I have like I had to look at this thing and and think, OT, what is it that I'm trying to achieve? You know, what what what why did God let this happen? What what does he want from me with this thing? You know, with this podcast. And I had to answer those questions, and hence I'm all in. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, yeah, man, finally. Uh that's that's that's where I'm gonna start. On my end about you coming through to co-host, but like, yeah, you you you highlight very, very key things. There was this excitement in seeing that we share portions of our visions. Um, there was circumstances as well and time. Um from where we initially wanted to start the podcast and were getting ready to do the co-hosting, i.e. the Tesla episode. From there, things moved rapidly around things we were praying for simultaneously. This is actually, and I and and I love that I've I've I've come to a place of putting a positive spin on it. Because at first it was it was frustrating. Like, flip, my co-host just we were working with each other every day, and then now switch up. I could I'd hardly see him, you know, but recognizing that what was what were we doing at the time we were executing? Um, and we were praying. We were praying um for breakthrough in in building your career. Uh found found it interesting as well that in building your career, it was along the lines of your prayer. Um, it was uh it had a baseline of coffee. Um and coffee, coffee, it was, you know. Um yeah, yeah.
Coffee Work That Found Him
SPEAKER_02Walk me through that again.
SPEAKER_04A barista journey.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Hey man, coffee trolls me. Like, coffee has always chores me. I don't know if you but like let me let me let me support my point.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Let me support my point. Um, first time I got a call to be a barista, I was not a barista. I was just looking for a job as a sales what guy, you know, by the restaurant called me. Hey, um, you say you you're looking for a job? Yeah, I listen. We can we can we meet tomorrow at Markenbin for um an interview? And that was my boss, um Mr. Rudolph Debord. Rudolph. Oh yeah, that was that was my my previous boss, Mr. Rudolph DeBord. So he he calls me and I'm like, uh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll be down for an interview. Like, I didn't know anything about coffee. And then I went for the interview, and we had an interview, asked me a couple of questions, and I told him, listen, man, I think I have good people skills, but making coffee, I don't know anything about coffee. And he's like, no, no, don't worry. Don't worry. Um, training will be provided, you know, and training was provided, and that's how I got into coffee. That's how coffee trolls me. Yeah, and I fell in love with making coffee, and what's crazy is it came easy, like making it took me a week to properly froth milk. And to make actually to make a perfect cup of coffee, it took me a week as compared to everybody else who was learning with me. It took them longer. Like in a week, I was already making a heart. That was like so easy. And I was already I already had now had customers that were now like requesting that I make their coffee personally, yeah, in a week. You know, which was like, oh wow. You know, like it was it came pretty easy to me. And and and and then after that, um coffee, and and then after I had stopped working from from from this place, this coffee shop, did my own thing and all those things. Um and then so now I needed something to like balance my my workflow because being an entrepreneur is not easy, man. Yeah, you do need a day job to just balance certain things, you know? And I needed a day job to balance certain things, and um a homie that I taught how to make coffee calls me, he's like, yo, bro, I know you're looking for something. Uh, why don't you come say hi? You didn't say come for an interview or anything. It's like, yo, why don't you come say hi? Come see where I work. Yeah, I'm like, hi, bad, I'm coming to see where you work, bro. I'm so excited for you, dog. You know? Um I went to see where he was he was working, and I bumped into the founder of where I'm working now. And it's like, yo, yeah, Sam, uh, this is AJ. AJ is the one who taught me how to make coffee. It's like, oh yeah, that's pretty cool. Uh listen, um Alma needs to be making coffee uh church on Sunday. Um yeah, yeah, he's got some things to do, but we need someone to come in for him. I'm like, I'm there, I'm available. So they called me up, I pulled through. Um what's crazy is I didn't go there looking for a job, but the job found me. Because initially I needed one. Yeah, and God provided through these people, through Sam, through Alma. See, this is how I see how the hand of the Lord works. It does not work through miracles, it works through people. People are God's living miracle, and through them, miracles in our lives become visible. Yeah, and it was through these people I found my love for coffee again, you know, I got brought back into the space again, like a prodigal son. I went back to coffee. I'm like, oh, coffee beans, I missed you so so um and and and that uh marked uh a beginning of a new journey for me, which is the journey I'm currently on. There is more that I'm not going to talk about right now.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but like in in what in what you've you've shared, I think it it's because we we we we're touching on the co-hosting,
Answered Prayers And New Boundaries
SPEAKER_02yeah. What's what what had happened there um was our schedule shifted for what we intended to do with the podcast. True, true. Um our plans adjusted, and and yeah, it's made it's made me more aware of what am I currently praying for and what am I currently working on. And are those two aligning? Um, not to say we prayed against what we initially wanted, we prayed into what we thought we needed. Um, and that was for God to provide um in an inner job aspect.
SPEAKER_04We prayed over a financial breakthrough.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, while also with the talents we do have to be able to do that. To be able to execute, we were using on the spot. So, so yeah, that was the beauty of of the the lesson in that time. Because I think at first, because it was all these plans we were starting to lay out because of the time we had on our hands, it it first came through as more of a ah man, this is bumming.
SPEAKER_04Because we had to do this.
SPEAKER_02We were gonna do all this and all this and all this and all that.
SPEAKER_04All that and all that. And we feel like we're not making any progress.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. It feels like now we we we've paused. Should I take a break? But I didn't, brother.
SPEAKER_03I said, never mind how five. So lucky.
SPEAKER_05Oh shit.
SPEAKER_09I'm joking, that's not what I say. No, I bought it. I ain't gonna lie to you.
SPEAKER_04Nah, no, I didn't. I know, I know, I know you did, bro. I know you did. Like I even felt like I even felt like, hey man, now I'm letting this nigga down. You know what I'm saying? Because also looking at the fact that like looking at my character as well, like I I I I think we're kind of like the same when it comes to that aspect of not wanting to disappoint people, you know. So so like it was really eating me out. I don't wanna lie. It was really yeah, eating yes, oh shit Pause. No, it was really eating me up, bro. Like deep down in KZIO, you know, I was I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't um I was happy that I that that I finally got the financial breakthrough that I was praying for, but I also I was also sad that I was letting you down. Uh not only you, I was letting even uh um the other job that I have for marketing titles place down as well. You know, so because it was a lot of things going on, and now I have having to adjust to a new schedule, make up a new schedule, adjust to making new, meeting new people, new environment, uh, and and and having to create a new work persona in everything.
SPEAKER_02Would you say around that time your your personal and work life was subconsciously integrated together, that you you couldn't differentiate between the two because some of the disappointment wasn't necessarily in that in the job aspect, I don't think. I think it was in that hey, if you had to be in my shoes and see why I was looking for a job, you'd understand why my prioritization has become like this. And in context of the time you were in in your life as well, and the period and the and the and the circumstances you were having to tackle and face, you you you needed to prioritize getting these ducks in a row. And so, but the disappointment being on a more relational tip um aspect because because relationally we didn't have the usual time we were having anymore. And so it it made it, it it allowed for the mind to fester thoughts of I'm letting this person down. Whereas really, really, because even for me, it was festering in a certain way, where it's like, am I being let down? Or because at the same time, I was the very person who was praying my homie guests, you know, but now here I am also being disappointed that I don't have that time no more when the prayer is answered. So it was like it was like now you learn to your personal priorities and your work priorities. Would you say now that there's more definition between the two?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely damn, bro. Shit. Bro, hey. That was good, wasn't it? That was impressive. How did you break that down, bro?
SPEAKER_02I was listening, Baba. I was listening to you, and and it's it's it's a revelation to me, really, because I'm also like, yeah, actually, some of the things we consider our disappointments aren't our biggest disappointments, it's just the way we were looking at them, you know, and and also grind and thing grow through adapting to the circumstance change. You know, um and I think it you you you you also get back and look at like, oh wow, how much I've grown in the period that I wasn't doing this, but I was learning through going through what I was focusing on. Um because immediately just us entering the room and the comfort has already changed in in our collaboration. I I think even the workflow, the the social media, the things are slowly gathering back together into these ducks now being in a row. Um which is exciting, bro.
SPEAKER_04It is, it is pretty exciting. Uh, but but you you said it all, bro. You said it, you said it all. Yeah. But uh that was that was the that was the whole thing. But um we're here now. Um I'm slowly finding my feet. Um I'm not entirely where I like where I want to be in terms of my my things, like organizing my things and all that. Like I'm still figuring it out, you know? But like I say, like like you said, you know, work and and and like it's been separated. Now I know this is my work life, this is my personal life, it's been it's being integrated together. Now I like you know, I know what he does, I do this, I do that, I do that. Now I know. No, now it's no longer, it's no longer like there isn't that that feeling of uncertainty, yeah, and that imposter syndrome. That am I actually a photographer? Am I actually uh uh a creative? You know, do I really deserve to be sitting in this chair right now? You know, like there is no more of those thoughts as well. They're gone because because of that phase that I went through the past couple of one month, yeah, you know, couple of days.
SPEAKER_02Oh bro, so um um you also mentioned in the uh titles plus another client you took on in 2026 was um Salu Podcast.
Social Media Marketing With Integrity
SPEAKER_02So not only are you co-hosting, but you you're working for the for the for the podcast.
SPEAKER_04For the podcast, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Which is which is great in some of the stereotypes I've found myself hearing or in the circles of like or let me just say experiences I've I've had over life.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um where it's hard to work with friends.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Because you saw a like, or you just no one's pushing the other one to do something. But they I had that experience of my friendship, uh friendships in the past, where we've got all these great ideas, but we're not helping each other execute them. Here's an example of us now executing things together. Um and uh yeah, how many clients do you have right now? Two, two, two clients, bro. Two clients and and this is really a thing. The social media marketing. Yeah, what is is that what you call yourself? Is that what you would you you describe that that aspect of your of your of your of your of your push of your business?
SPEAKER_04Um yeah, social media marketing and digital content creation, it's is isn't it the same? It's the same thing, right?
SPEAKER_02God knows, bro.
SPEAKER_04It's no, I don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't think it's the same, but social media marketing because I just I just think when you're doing social media, maybe because I'm I'm a digital content creator, like in general. So when I do social media marketing, I don't necessarily see the difference because I'm pretty much doing the same thing. Yeah, yeah, the only difference is I'm just posting and making sure overtime is this moving, is that moving, make meeting the right people for the business to push the business forward, and you know, bringing them aboard, uh look going through um that the the just going through the the progress of the brand and all those things. Yeah, but yeah, and but like when it comes to work that that that that bring the brand forward, it's pretty much the same. I think the only added thing to my arsenal is graphic designing. I'm getting pretty good at it, and I'm doing quite a lot of graphic designing now. You know, like um the it the the with the welcome, the musalu introduction. That was that was I was beautiful.
SPEAKER_02I I felt welcome to the room, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04Right? Uh thought a lot of thought went to it and and and just designing that one piece, you know. It took me it took it took two weeks in my head before it actually materialized. Yeah, you know, yeah, so um, yeah, because like before I even get to to do something, I have to to design it in my head. And then it materialized. Um and the Msalu podcast, our our profile picture, uh, that took me a day. Bro. That took me a day.
SPEAKER_02I love it. I'd like I'd like some square variations, but it's not it's not logo, it's not logo work for like putting at the bottom corner of our podcast or anything like that. Yeah. That's what I realized, because it's just it's just such a beautiful picture, you know, and such a beautiful um um collage of what we are. So it just I hate putting it as a small little square at the bottom of the screen because I'm like, no, I want I want you to see like everything in it, because there's so many stories within that, right?
SPEAKER_04Dude, um, you know, um yeah, man, I just wanted to I don't I I don't know, man. I don't know. But what inspired me to do this was Don't Be Dumb by Esse Brocky. Because I think when Don't Be Dumb dropped and I saw that the the the the cover page and I was like wow this is so cool.
SPEAKER_02Let me not be dumb.
SPEAKER_04Let me not be dumb and do something. And and then do something that's not stick statistically correct.
SPEAKER_03There we go. There we go.
SPEAKER_04But push the envelope, you know, and and and and I had to I had to design something that is that is just something that I would be proud of. I'm really proud of that um that wallpaper. Yeah, and and it speaks to me, the message itself, what we stand for, like you said, you know, and um and and and the fire, the fire being the Holy Spirit burning within us, you know, and uh the dove the dove being the hope and the lamp being Jesus Christ, you know, and um and then the the prayer that the hands like those being what sustains us with the Holy Spirit, which is also we can see the hands are burning, which is the Holy Spirit, and um and then the the the the words being the little messages that God leaves for us daily the sky that blue sky that blue background being God himself because that's why it's the background, he is the background of everything, you know. Um that's why the heavens are blue, the sky is blue, you know. Um that was my those were my thoughts, bro.
SPEAKER_02That's social media marketing for you. You get to, I mean, obviously the public might not see everyone else who sees the post is just like wow, cool, cool, eh? Like you see how much work and thought goes in behind. It's always it's always such a cool thing to to to know, bro.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And so where would you say your your your your journey is now with that? Um is there any thoughts around officializing it, consultancy? What what's on what's on your mind about your your social media marketing, digital content creating?
SPEAKER_04Uh, when it comes to my social media marketing, bro, and digital content creation, I just need to find my feet with you two guys. You know? Uh I'm sorry, but I gotta practice some way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I I have I have to practice some way. So I'm I'm I'm I'm um I'm I'm still fine. Like what can I say? This is um I'm in I'm I'm I'm in class right now with Tatus Bliss and and with I'm Salu Podcast. Um the only difference is I'm learning as I go. You know, I'm getting like first hand education, you know. Um yeah, but so I I I I I don't I don't I'm not I'm not like looking I'm not looking for new clients, you know, but if they come to me, uh yeah, they they come to me because God has sent them to me and He thinks I'm prepared to handle the new clients. Yeah, but as when it comes to looking for clients, I'm not looking for clients right now. I'm just trying to perfect uh my job, like the job that I have right now. You know, I'm pretty much content with what I'm doing right now, and I'm just trying to yeah, when when when when when I'm ready, bro, and say, hey, listen, uh uh yeah, the the social media marketing is solid, and now uh I need to get new clients. Oh, you will know.
SPEAKER_02You'll be the first to know. Can I can I uh scripture came to my mind with that uh Luke 16 verse 10. Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much, I guess. But oh, so if it's 16 verse 11, so if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? Um I think if we if if if if I if I unpack that and and and why it came to mind, it's not necessarily like if you trusted with two clients, you'll be trusted with 20. That logic is true. But um I think I think it it it it's the the the second part, and whoever's dishonest with very little, um with how you you you unpack your your progress. Uh I love I love that you were so aware uh of um where you are, not necessarily slightly adding in those grandios where you'd like to be, but you're making it seem like that's where you are at um that fake it till you make it attitude. I don't think fake it till you make it um is the strategy to to getting where you want to be within your social media marketing, but rather rather really being honest with hey, um this is my arsenal right now, you know. Um, I like it, I like it, and and I can say for on my end, it's been tough as well. I I think I think it's been tough because I'm learning to be a client um and above our relational place, on and above how much of the podcast you know about and my heart behind the podcast initially and amalgamating it with yours. I've had to learn, like, you know, I've been I've been I've had the typical client's attitude of like the hell's my work, and also and also bro, you you you also I think also think you auto because you're my friend and we do this together, you also don't want to feel like you're being taken advantage of, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'm sure those thoughts do creep in. Don't play me, nigga.
SPEAKER_04You know what I'm saying? Oh yeah, I know your whole family, you know, it's just taking advantage of me.
SPEAKER_02Slash your bike guy, bro. Not playing, but like I think I think it there is that, and then and then there's also there's also the satisfaction of when the work comes, you're like, ah now it's like okay, how do I become a better client? As well, I think also what was on my mind was also like I don't want you to to just be anyhow because I also am aware that you're in a building process and learning process. I was I was walking with alongside you when you were building up your your your your social media marketing and digital content creating. So so so it was like what skills or how can I be a client that gives him room to learn new things without me like blatantly saying it. But in the questions I ask or in the things I'm inquiring about the work you're doing for me, how do I open up your mind to to better suit the the conversation of clients? I don't know, I kinda just lost the word for what you guys are called on the other side. Client, entrepreneur, entrepreneur relationship, I don't know. But you know, um so it's been it's been very interesting, and um it's also helped me in committing to I'm Salah Blue Podcast in terms of like there's there's expense towards it, or well investment, let me not say expense, there's investment towards its growth, towards its development. Because had I come at you with the approach of be a homie, do me a solid until we add a level ground with the podcast, so I can actually then compensate you. Um that I feel that would have not given me the sense of responsibility I have now over the podcast. Um I actually am genuinely interested in what happens to the podcast, and uh I have a better vision of how to build the podcast. Because sometimes I think I had this very imaginary um you hearing the right words and you catching some serious bars from how I'm articulating is what's gonna be my selling point. But no, my selling point is in the quality I invest into the podcast um to make it relevant to someone. Um, so yeah, I think your journey is teaching me, um, being your client. It would be nice, it would have been cool to have tight here for this for this segment for also her. Because I think I think what has also been interesting about that is that she's also learning how to expand her um business because a lot of businesses that aren't switched on to social media aren't really thinking much about those things, so they don't have an idea that's you you pay into things and you you all do things. Yeah, but you've you've you've also walked a journey with her for her to know that should she want to shift or want um a level that's higher than where you're at right now, she knows how to have that conversation now. You know, so there's there's there's seed planting within also your service. Um, you you've grown us as clients. Because I think clients need to need to grow as well for their business, not just try uh me, me, me, me, give, give, give, give. I need, I need, I need. But oh, snap. My giving returns this. My service in this exchange returns this. That's nice. Let's keep that progress. Let's grow, you know. Um, so yeah, man, proud of us. Proud of us.
SPEAKER_04Um, I mean, we came a long way, man.
SPEAKER_02We've come a long way, bro.
SPEAKER_04We've come a long way, and uh if I bro do you remember last year?
Recovery Mindset And Real Growth
SPEAKER_04Last year uh at this time. Never let me go last year at this time we'd be linking up after work at the top of that green flat.
SPEAKER_02Yep.
SPEAKER_04You remember that rooftop and and and and oh yeah, those are those are the days uh you you can always cut it out if you don't want people to know, but like those are those are the days you had a raffle with your brother, yeah, yeah, and you broke the meter like beginning of the year last year, yeah, and it got you thinking like too deep, or like, oh man, if I'm gonna start my year like this.
SPEAKER_03I don't know.
SPEAKER_04I don't know if I'm gonna make it. I don't know if I'm making any progress where I'm going. Yeah, I remember, bro, like you you you brought you took it pretty hard, man. Yeah, um um how how how are you like if you if you look back like the journey till today?
SPEAKER_02Ooh. Great question. Um I've grown obviously uh a lot from that place, but you you just made me realize something that's that's um that awakening of like I don't want shit to always be like this. Um I got dreams, I got all these things. I became aware of time in in a way that um put action behind my words a lot a lot more. Um yeah, psychologically as well. I think I've come down a few steps, up the stairs of madness and and and paranoia and overthinking and doubting myself. Um I'm becoming more accustomed to my reality that this is what I'm capable of doing and actually acting upon it instead of having great dreams and a poor mindset. I had a very poor mindset, uh wanting to give up everything, you know, just being overwhelmed because I don't know where to start or how to go about it, um, not wanting to work those problems out, not loving those problems enough to want to solve them. And yeah, Doug, it really, it really, it really grew me a lot because I think even that year going forward and growing, and the things that were keeping me grounded at that time was recovery meetings, um, going to recovery meetings, and that still goes on today. And just having these conversations more with you on those on that rooftop, um starting to do some creative work, uh that's where I also started recording myself a lot more. Um and and so yeah, yeah, bro, it was it was it was it was a lot to learn. Um still a lot to learn, still a lot to process, but things like our podcast at the time it's happening is evidence of that growth period. Um and and and learning to say, I'm actually I'm actually capable and and it was ego really, because I felt sorry for myself, but ego is like kind of like I'm capable of this, but I don't want to do it, you know.
SPEAKER_04I think it scared you, yeah. You know, I think I think what scared you the most was not the fact that you did it, it was it was more like um you you you know never let me go um what how can I say this? You were scared of your past, like having me having to know you how how much I've known you. I think I think I think what freaked you out the most was not what happened, but it was the past. Or do you feel as if you're going back to the person that you you're trying to uh um to run away from, you know? Uh but you got to a point where now you accepted who that person was and you embraced those mistakes and like oh yeah, I made those mistakes, and and you the moment you embraced them, you outgrew them, you know, and you got tired of the misery, you know, you had to reach a point where you had to get tired of always running from the person you once were. And when when when in and when you got tired, you stopped and looked you here we are, you know.
SPEAKER_02Growing, Doug, it's it's such a such a weird phenomenon. Um I think a very beautiful thing that God gave us in our timelines. Because you you look at it and any growth is good, it's just never pleasant to go through. Yeah, you know. Um, I feel like I narrowed that shot towards you a lot more.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Let's tilted a little. But oh yeah, the reason I did was because of the cabboard.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. No, no worries though.
SPEAKER_04Nah, you're still in this in the shot. Yeah, very good. Chilling like a desiccle.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, now sign, but uh see why.
SPEAKER_00C you why why?
SPEAKER_02You know, but uh yeah, bro. Um I feel like we could we could cap it there, cuz I think I think whoever's listening gets the co-hosting just and has gone familiar with the voice of the co-host. Um something something TJ. Something KG. Uh suggested and and and I found it, I found it to be really cool.
Three Questions For The Listener
SPEAKER_02Yeah, let's hear to end the episode. So now this is to uh you, the guest. I mean the listener.
SPEAKER_04The listener.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you are a guest too, or it's your house.
SPEAKER_04They're in the room.
SPEAKER_02However, you want to look and get yourself in the room. Yeah, they're in the room. Um, from this chat, from this conversation, what stood out to you? Um, what do you hear God saying to you? And what's one practical step that you can do today that's small, specific, and again doable today. Um we'd really love to hear from you about that, but also would really love for you to actually physically or or mentally mine from this dialogue the nuggets you might need for your journey right now. Um so yeah, man, it has been pleasant on this Easter Friday. Easter Friday. To chill with you, brother. Yeah, um I think I'm used to you now wearing glasses.
SPEAKER_04Those are like easy peasy glasses, bro.
SPEAKER_10Well, bro, I actually I was wearing some frames yesterday there at Spectators like you know, I'm bad. Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_04Uh yeah, man. Oh, yeah, this is this are my blue lights, bro. Like, I spend so much time on the screen sometimes, so I had to cut down some blue lights. Yeah, yeah. That's all there is, and you know, they compliment they complement the look, yeah. Yeah, man, man, they compliment the look.
SPEAKER_09Build. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04Shades makes me feel shady, and I ain't the shady nigga.
SPEAKER_00I don't do the shady stuff.
SPEAKER_09I don't I don't get down like that.
SPEAKER_00Not my style. Nah, not me.
SPEAKER_02Doug I'm sorry, podcast. We out. I will.
SPEAKER_04Um